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Read the Bible soul podcast. I am so excited. I have another interview for you guys and we have Jamie Biermann that is back for the second time and I feel like this conversation is so divinely guided on so many different levels as always, especially with the way that me and Jamie roll I owe it you know I heard last episode that someone has actually been the most listened podcast episode yet so far and I was telling her this on a phone call. We had a friend chat last actually it was earlier this week or last week we were on the call and talking about all the things and I was telling her that and we also happen to have just an epic conversation. So we're like, let's do another podcast episode. So here we are. Jamie's back for the second time and she is the queen of money, mindset and manifestation. So of course we're going to talk about money again. And this particular podcast we're talking about choosing purpose, not money. And really how this conversation came up is that I was sharing with Janie behind the scenes on my business what's been going on and if you guys did not listen to last week's episode that I did, go back and listen to because you'll kind of have a little bit of a deeper understanding. And I talked about how I in my own business, I am taking a step back because when I got really honest with myself, I feel like I had 1% at a time really gotten out of alignment with my purpose and it really felt like at one point I was chasing money, not clients. And that's it. Sorry, not purpose and that's really something that I know that in especially in the coaching industry, that there is this fine line of pain that we can cross between the intention of why we're showing up and I think this is just such a beautiful topic to talk about. So hello, Jamie. Welcome back to the rebel soul podcast.
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Thank you for having me. I'm so excited. I love this conversation, because I just love the way that you show up so real so authentically. It's so refreshing. And I'm excited for this conversation.
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Thank you. Yeah, and I think that you know, what I want to start with is that I know that if you're listening to this podcast, you're, you're following your soul. You're following your passion, you're following the thing that lights you up. And I know for myself, I, at one point in my journey, realized that after a certain level of success, there was like this pressure to keep on making money and I know that that a lot of people feel that so I want to talk a little bit about that. First, Jamie, what are your thoughts about when people are going out, you know, when they have a business, right? And of course, the whole purpose of a business is to help others and to make money but how do you how do you navigate that line?
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That's such a good question. I feel like it's a consistent practice, because it's so easy for the ego to come in and take over. And I always think about it as like Soul versus ego not that they're in a fight but just like coming back and recognizing where is this intention coming from? Is it from my ego or is it from my soul and sometimes we catch it after we're out of alignment after we followed our ego and we're like, Ah, this feels terrible. You know, you've gone on that track when it just feels bad when it feels like things are not working or even if they are working. You just feel heavy or out of alignment right and I mean I have fallen into that several times throughout this journey where just my brain has come in and set goals from, you know, from my ego of like, Oh, I think I need to I want to reach this goal. I wasn't coming from like a soulful place but it was coming from a place of I need to reach this goal so that I can think positive thoughts about myself or I can feel successful or I can feel worthy and think of myself as worthy and successful. And then of course when you get into that cycle of setting goals from that place, that's when we start to chase them. We start to hustle for them. We start to get impatient and be in a rush to hit a goal if it's money, right. That's kind of that's my indicator. Always is if I'm feeling impatient, if I'm in a rush, if I'm not having any fun if I'm in my head thinking all the strategies to make it work and thinking about the house versus kind of in my heart. That's when I know I need to look at my purpose like why I set this goal or look at how I'm holding the goal and kind of redirect. And for me, I think it is a practice of just continuously coming back because it's so easy for our brains to do this. So easy.
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Yeah, absolutely. And I know that especially in the beginning of my business, there was like this need to like there was a rush and I know me, me and Jamie both graduated from the same Life Coach School. And there is this big like milestone that they kind of mark success. And it's by numbers. It's like the $100,000 mark. Right. So if they even give awards, and I think it's an I think on some level, it's great. And I think on some levels, we can get lost in the vanity of it that in the pressure and we're gonna come back and talk about pressure in a minute, but I think that, you know, when I first started it was like, I just got to make $100,000 I just got to make $100,000 And it was almost as if I had to make $100,000. So I could prove to myself that I was actually a coach or that I was worthy or that I was like a successful coach. And then and I don't know about you and your journey, but I know that it's like as soon as I hit that 100,000 And it's funny, because when I did hit my 100,000 I didn't even realize I had hit it. It was like weeks later, maybe like four or five weeks later and I looked back and I was like, Oh wait, I made $100,000 In fact, that was like four weeks ago. And then I was like, Okay, let's keep on making money. Like I don't I didn't even stop the pause to celebrate it was just like what's next?
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You know? I know right? Like, I mean very, very similar story for me. I was that was my first impossible goal with the 100k which, in some ways was so beautiful because it did evolve me in so many ways. It really it was a transformational journey. It was an opportunity to work through so many of my misbeliefs about myself and what I'm capable of and it really truly felt impossible. So in that way, it was just one of the most amazing things I ever did for myself, but I also did have that part of me just like you Lauren, where I was like, Oh, well once I hit it, then I'm gonna feel worthy or proud of myself. And then once I hit it, too, it was actually that was the month after I hit my first summer camping. It was like in December and I realized the hit and I literally was like depressed. Because I realized, wait a minute, I don't think differently about myself. I thought this was gonna feel amazing. I don't think anything. Like I'm still feel inadequate and insecure and all the things I still have doubt. And right and if we don't catch ourselves, it's so easy to be like, Oh, well then I guess I should set a $500,000 goal then I can feel good about myself right? But lucky for me that depression like lucky or unlucky I wouldn't have said lucky in that moment. But I think because I went into that depression and had like, some burnout from it because I really did. I hustled my way there. I realized like oh, this is not how I want to do business anymore. I was like I cannot keep going this way. And I knew something had to change. So it was actually in that moment that I really started doing a lot of work around. It wasn't just money but it was like what I think it takes to make money. Just working through the beliefs of thinking that like it's all these actions that create money and what I think it means about me and all it started unraveling so much for me. It's such a beautiful way it was painful. But now I'm so grateful that I went through that but had the same experience with such a similar experience.
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Yeah, I think a lot of people do or it's like, okay, let's just like and it really feels like a rush right? Because it's you're going out of from a place of like, I will be happy when right it's the same. The weight loss like I'll be happy when I lose the weight. You happy when I make 100k I'll feel worthy when I make Undertale feel enough when I make 100k But I'll tell you what, I still feel you still feel like you're like, Okay, what's next or it doesn't feel quite like you think it is and then I know for me in my experience, it's like then it was like the pressure to then okay well now we need to hit $200,000 Then I need to like continue to maintain this level of income in my business. And that's that really has been looking back now right and I didn't see it when I was in it and you guys this is why the stuff I'm sharing right now on this podcast is very vulnerable. I'm in a messy place in my business, but I have to be having these conversations because I don't want other people to be to do the same thing where it was like I really feel like for six months. I've been like chasing money and even just saying this out loud. There's a little bit of shame, and a little bit of like guilt for even talking about like, you know, because it's like I want to I want to feel like oh no, I'm always in this perfect place. I'm always aligned. But for me it was like this 1% off over time. 1% Off 1% Off and I finally woke up after like six months in my business and the really the last six months. It's been this like little slowly going off of my purpose. And I look back now and I'm like, Oh, I see it. It's I feel it in my body. I feel like this resistance and it's just like, This is not sustainable. And what really was my wake up call is in you know about a month ago. I was just I almost was using my own work against me where i i because I know when you're in alignment, people come like money come in it felt very resistance in my business and the clients hadn't been coming in the money hadn't been coming so of course what I did was just do more trying harder doing more
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we try to do more of what doesn't work. What does it work and let's see if that works.
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Right? And it's like let's just like do you do this opera right? And it's to spin like okay, this that that didn't work. And so now I'm in this place where I look back and I'm like, oh wait a second. I really lost that purpose. And I was doing it and I just felt like I put the pressure on myself to continue to perform at that 10,000 15,020 5,000k months because if not, then I would feel like a loser or what would my clients think about me or what would people out? You know, what would people think about me is really what I'm seeing now. Is like was driving a lot of my my thoughts but it was more what was I going to think about myself right like and I didn't stop to really process that. So what ended up happening is all this resistance ended up in my body and I felt unsafe and I literally created an environment in my body where I was repelling clients repelling money because I was so I felt so unsafe from the pressure I put on myself.
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You know it's so fascinating because money I mean, my experience and do some coaching clients. It's like I think that as we do this work around money, what we're really doing is just developing a more loving relationship with ourselves, right? It developed like when we set money goals or when we deal with money stuff in our mind that we have to always come back to ourselves. That's really what it is. Right? It just wakes us up further and further to our relationship with ourselves. So if you you know, if you're out there and you're having struggles with money, it's just like, know that that's not also a problem like it's also an opportunity to like look within even deeper every time I've had something like this it has been such an opportunity for growth
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as well. Absolutely. I think money is a teacher right like the like the spiritual like the work and especially the spiritual work is both mean you're like have that lose sight of us so we can not talk about episode where it's like, and that's what I realized where it's like I have done more. I have learned about myself in Hebrew more in the last four weeks than I have in the last year because of all of this coming up and my willingness to stop and realize that oh, wait, I have work to be done. I have there's something that's going off. That's not right here and my willingness to stop and really do the work. Just in the short four weeks, everything is shifted and like money is coming in and clients are doing good and right and so that's why I want to talk about this stuff because it's like this happens. It's it's okay to get off track a little bit it's okay, but it's it's a lesson for us and money is a teacher
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and I also think another perspective of looking at it is if you set an intention, whatever it was, whatever you're calling in or manifesting to create a certain amount of money. Sometimes it's like, oh, that old way of thinking about ourselves and holding money is not going to work to grow into the version of us. Who can create whatever it is next. So it's like that has to come up to be cleared right to move to the next level financially.
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Oh, I love that. You say that because that's exactly like what I have realized that it happened I told on the last podcast episode how I have like my embodiment technique and so at this point, probably six weeks ago, I was like okay, universe, I'm ready to go to the next level. Like let's do this. Like I've never been more clear.
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You better buckle up after saying not right.
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Right. And then and then I was like really thinking that the next thing that would happen is like going back $25,000 months and having all these clients and like what really happened was the rug being pulled off of me and me like loading and because and now looking back and actually one of my clients reached out and sent me a voice message after she heard my last message and she's like, I see it so clearly what's happening for you and I saw this too. She's like when you ask because I saw you really declare that you're ready to go the next level and what got you to where you are now is not going to get you to the next level. And so I literally had to let go of everything. Let go of all the way that got me into my first 100k My, my multiple 100k not going to get me to the next level. And so this was actually the universe being like, Okay, you want the next level you can't do you can't work harder. You can't do the same thing you were doing and work harder and so this is this was all happening for me and it was painful. But on the other side, it's like I'm so happy to be sitting here with you right now sharing the story because I know other people are either in IT RIGHT NOW or going to go through it in their business at some way.
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Yes. 100% And that's the thing is it. I mean, it takes a lot of commitment to your growth and your willingness to be with yourself through it whenever you are expanding and I think a lot of times through expansion we do go through this phase of sometimes it feels like we're taking five steps back 10 steps back. But in order to grow right it's like we have to slow down to speed up and that's been my kind of theme of the years slowing down too because and I know it's like I'm holding it in my brain forget sometimes but I'm like no Jamie, like you intentionally made some decisions to slow something down. But overall, this is what's gonna allow you to grow beyond that. And same for you Lauren, and same for anyone who's listening who did declare something big and decided you want to create something and then it feels like you know, shit hits the fan. It feels like oh my gosh, it feels worse than before. But really, that's happening for you, right to work through it to learn what you have to learn to expand into that next we'll call it all level even though it's not a level but you know, into that next version of you that you are calling it.
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Yeah, absolutely. And it's it's beautiful, and it's painful.
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We're not gonna sugarcoat it. It does not feel good. Like our brains don't realize it all the time. At least mine doesn't whenever I'm going through it. I'm like what's happened
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right and I think we forget, right? Because I know for me, and I'm really seeing this now and I couldn't see it for a while because it's like, it's like a fish in water. Fish doesn't know it's in water. It's just there. And that's kind of it became like, the way I was running my business and the way that I was doing things just became like my way of being so I couldn't see outside of that pattern of thinking that pattern of being that pattern that I was like, in and so this really is like the universe's way to like give me what I need. And as you guys know, with the law of attraction, you know, asking it is given and it is always given but it might not look the way that you think it's gonna look. And that's just part of it. Right is like understanding that sometimes we have to it can seem like a step back, but it's really just us being led and I know Jamie for you, you run your business same way as I do, which is through our intuition which is through our inner voice which is through like the divine guidance right and I think that's sometimes what can be can get us in like quote unquote trouble in our businesses and especially when we're like, following certain prescribed like strategies or plans is that that's actually not that is something that maybe works for other people and it can have some level of like, repeatability to it but what actually has to happen is that you then have to like run it through your own intuition system or like your own intuition and really make it your own and listen and I know that's happened for you too. And your business, like you thought watches or things were gonna look one way but then really universe had a whole other different like, plans for
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you. The universe and my higher self. Whenever I look back in the moment, I couldn't see that but we were talking like last week when we were talking on the phone and you know, Lauren was sharing what she was going through and like girl I get it like I was like you know what happened? With my launch last year and like my first launch had gone amazing. I had double my numbers I had my first launch of her was like 220k launch which is insane, right? And I just thought oh, this is normal. And I was like the next one will be that. Oh, since that one went so easily because I was like in alignment and everything and then I was like oh well, I might as well just go for a million this year and just do another huge 600k launch right like I just all this was coming from my mind it was coming from my it was not coming from like true intention of thinking through what am I really want. So I just set these numbers from my mind and it was probably from this Ooh, it would be cool to make a million dollars but not like it was like, like, I really really wanted it. It wasn't it wasn't even the goal that I had set that year. So I I was like okay, let's do it. Let's do it again. And I was just really on the hamster wheel. And I went for like for my second launch that year. I was so tired. I had had a very long year because last year I was doing so many different things between instructing between doing contract work for other like just other coaches and showing up in coaching and other programs. I was I had one to one clients I had my mastermind I just had done a lot that year. It had been a lot of growth too and a lot of expansion and the getting towards the end of the year. I remember I kept saying I'm so tired. I'm so tired. I just want to break yet I had my lunch coming up. So it was like these two competing intentions where I just kept telling the universe I want to break I'm so tired or whatever I started hearing myself say oh I just want to retire Josh Can you just make money so I could retire like that's where my brain goes whenever I actually just need a break. I wasn't listening to that part of me right and so I was just going after it I set up the launch all that stuff and it felt like literally everything went wrong. Not launch wise like that. It hadn't even gotten there yet but it was like things in my life just started it was like first thing that happened we went and traveled for Thanksgiving and then my father in law got no horrible accident was in the hospital. Then we get a call that you know Milly my little baby my dog is sick and I have to fly back to LA to get her from the sitter because she's sick. She ends up it was like she was literally so sick. She was like almost dying within a two day period. She just got this virus that took over her and she's only like she was four years old. I did you take her to the hospital so I'm like staying in the hot this pet hospital for like a whole weekend and out of there and not knowing if she's gonna make it then I get a call from my mom, grandpa's in the hospital. I think you need to fly to Michigan. All in the midst of like, oh my gosh, I launches this week. And I literally need to have it written email. I don't have my webinar Dianne. Like I remember being in that like pet hospital writing my webinar out in the middle of the night and it was just I was exhausted and I was just like literally there was so all my brain wanted was a break all I wanted was like I'm so tired. I'm so tired. I'm so tired. So of course whenever I go to lunch like it just it just wasn't in alignment. It was like the clients that were it was not you know, going well. I didn't get very many applicants. And it was only after like a day where I was like I am pulling this because this just I can't go on any further. This obviously is out of alignment like everything is going wrong, the tweet circumstances that are happening in my life and then just the lunch not going well right like clients not coming in. And I was like when of course at first I was so disappointed because I'm like what just happened? That was awful. I pulled it I took a mental health break. But looking back I'm like, Oh my gosh, I totally wasn't even listening to myself because all I kept saying is I need to rest I need a break. This is too much. So the universe is like yes, we are going to give you a break. We're not going to send you clients right now we are like this you are not in a place to be coaching people. You need to rescue yourself, coach yourself. Take a break, and of course in the moment and that whole month and month after was so disappointing, so disappointing. I felt so embarrassed. I felt shame because I had told everyone I was manifesting my million dollars that year and you know, that ended up not manifesting but it was a choice. I decided to pull it but I had to work through a lot I realized, oh no, I was not in a place to make a million dollars like that would not have been a sustainable billion dollar business at all I had to regroup Sutherlin at 500k in the first place like I didn't even give myself space even settling there. And bringing
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that we're like we're like, oh I feel so Shima guna hitting a million, but forgetting just being an app.
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It's crazy and that was such a huge realization for me even because I'm like Wow, isn't it crazy that I'm embarrassed and yet I had like four times this might be your before I mean like 145 You know and I so I created so much growth and that's the thing is money does not create your feeling because I like I'm by myself five years ago knowing that I would even take 500,000 loan away and think that I would have felt so rich and so positive all of the time. It's like no, you just take yourself wherever you go. So you can be at you know, 500 a day and then have a quote unquote failed lunch and feel super disappointed and ashamed and embarrassed because we still have thoughts. You know, money doesn't change doesn't change the human experience.
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Thank you so much for sharing that story and I asked Jamie to share that story with you guys. Because I think it's so important for you guys to see like the failures behind the scenes because I think especially with like social media, it's like we're just showing the highlight reel. We're just like showing like, you know, like look at me I'm doing so well but that's not always the case sometimes to actually get to where we want to go. It is a bunch of failures are a bunch of messy things added up on each other and you know, in my business, it was so easy and I gotta tell a story for you guys another story. It was as much as it was hard for me to decide a few weeks ago to like, just stop for my business for a little bit and just like take some space and not literally take all the pressure off bringing in any money as much as it was a hard decision because of more because of the emotions of shame and all of that stuff. It was also really, really easy for me because in the past in my business, I've had a couple of launches or especially I remember one particular launch with effortless sales were the second round of effortless sales right before I launched it sounds like a very similar situation that you're in where you know, I was ready. I had like a whole team behind me I was like I want I'm ready for this. I had the plan I had done everything planned and everything. And I just remember like laying in bed like the day before the launch and just like bawling to my best friend that I'm just like, I'm so exhausted like I'm so tired. Like, I can't do this. Like I just like I don't know, I don't know what to do. Like, I was just so tired and I remember like her being like, well what is it that you really want to do? And I was like I just really need a break and I remember that was the first time in my business where I decided to like go against what I had everything I learned and to not follow through what I what I said what I was gonna do was like, what it was like, the biggest thing not to do when we were going through like coach training or whatever like, like manage your thoughts around this whatever but the problem is that in the beginning of my business it was like very much all mindset and like, you know like having the mind choose and then using the mind to manipulate myself to take the action so that I can do the actions but what I really realized when my business got good and when I really enjoyed my business more is that when I started to really listen to my inner voice and the intuition of what felt right, right, because there's like the logical part and then there's like the actual knowing, and in that moment I allowed myself to postpone my launch and this was like the first time I did something really scary. And in that week of postponing my launch and deciding to do nothing, I made $22,000 In a week and it was from one on one clients. It was a completely different product, but realize that like oh my gosh, there was just so much pressure. And there was just so much like expectations and as soon as I took it off, the flow came back in and so I had had evidence of Oh wait, there is another way to run my business. Oh, we actually rest you can take a break and you can still make money and so having that experience really allowed me to start doing more radical things and just trusting myself in my business and being like last minute like canceling masterclass, I talked about in my last podcast right so now I've actually built the trust in myself that nope, the thing that takes precedent is my intuition and my inner voice, not the ego, not the vanity numbers. And the worst thing that's going to happen is there's going to be some shame that comes up and some emotions that come up and I know how to do it. But the relief on the other side of following what I know is right for me, is the thing that then always allows the states for the right thing to happen. And so that's why this month or earlier this month when I was just like you know what, we're just going to take all pressure off my business to make money. We're just going to stop everything. It was like nope, I've been here before and the payoff was always great. And you know what? I know I'm in the middle of this crazy jump right now and I don't quite know where I'm gonna land, but I know it's gonna be fucking awesome.
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Yes, yes, that's it. That's it. And I think you have to know what your personality is to. My hunch is that our personality is similar and that we tend to be Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the type that are good at like pushing through or have been good at pushing things in the past to make it happen to force to go for it. So for us, it's actually our growth edge is more in slowing down is more in the permission to not fight through or push through. That's where our growth is. Right and then there's other people who your growth might be to work through the parts of you that have resistance but to take action anyways. Right because, right maybe you're someone who does tend to just always quit whenever things get scary or hard or whatever. So I think it's really also important to like, check in with your intuition and say, Wait, what is for my highest growth here? Because it can go both ways? Yes. And our intuition always knows
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it does and you're you nailed you got the nail right on the head, right. Like I, I remember like, in when I was like in my corporate job, you know, my thing is like, I would get into a job and I always got promoted. I was always quote unquote the best right like I couldn't not go in and just like right rise and it was because like my My motto is like I make shit happen. I mix it up and yes, it's like this like brute force that I would do it and like in a good way because I was in some good ways and some bad ways but it worked with for me for a while but it worked for me when I was in the corporate setting because the corporate setting is actually designed that way. Yeah. I think as soon as I became an entrepreneur, that initial I made it happen really helped me get to that first 100k which then allowed me to see that I could have success, but it's not sustainable for the next level of growth. And like you said, it's uncomfortable to pull back and do nothing but go back and do less. And that's really what me and you both have been really honestly working about in our businesses, doing less and feeling worthy, doing less and less and feeling okay, and giving ourselves permission that like actually don't need to work as hard. We can work less hard and actually have more results and that's as I'm moving forward in my business and going to and I don't know what it looks like yet, but I know it's gonna look drastically and radically different than anything I've ever done. And it's gonna be very simple and very easy in a lot less work. And that's what I'm that's really what I know is possible because I have enough evidence now that it gets to be that way.
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Yes, yes.
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So I want to talk about one more thing before the end of this episode. I want to talk a little bit more about the energy of money I know that you have thoughts about money and really you know, the title of this is chasing purpose, not money and we know and I will raise my hand but first admit that I have chased money. So let's talk about the energy chasing money girl.
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You're not alone. You're not alone. There's a reason I know about this topic so well. And chasing money. So yeah, when we were kind of chatting about this and just talking about chasing money, and I was talking about how I really like, I like to see money as an energy as an like, and when we're looking at what our relationship with that energy is. For me, it's been super helpful to think about money as almost like, as an energy or an entity. And if I were to put a face on that, and think of that as a partner in my life, like if that were someone that I was going to marry or someone I was dating, what is my relationship with that white, right? And it's like our relationship with it's all the ways that we think about it or the way that we feel about it all the ways that we behave with it and treat it. And when we're chasing money if you think about being a partnership, if you were chasing a partner, if you were dating someone you're you just keep chasing them. Do you think they're gonna want to like come into your life and be with you more? Or like, no as far away from you as possible? I believe they're gonna want to run and
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clear like the guy that just like keeps on asking me out and I'm like, No. Or like the woman who's like, I need to have babies now.
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Guy 100%, right. And that's it. Like money doesn't like to be Chase. And so that's what happens is when we chase money, we're actually pushing it away. And I've seen this in my life every time I'm in a rush anytime I'm chasing it any or even like if you're thinking about in relationship, oh, I need you to feel worthy. I need you to feel successful. I need you to feel confident that person is not going to want to be in relationship like we are going to be a challenging relationship to be in. Same with money. So that's why I think it's so important to develop a relationship with money where you feel whole and worthy and good as you are. Then you get to decide how do I want to be in a relationship with money. How do I want to treat it? How do I want to go about calling it in? If this was like something I'm dating, how would I call it in? Batches again?
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Yeah, does this work? No, it doesn't. So what do you think the antidote to chasing money is?
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Good question. Yeah, I think it's well, I think it's first to stop chasing money. We have to look at why we're chasing it and understand that and there's a couple of reasons that people that I've seen that people tend to chase money and it's kind of like what we were talking about at the beginning of the podcast where we think that if we have more of it, we're going to feel secure, or we're going to feel safe, or we're going to feel worthy. We're going to feel successful. We're going to feel proud of ourselves, we're going to be able to see ourselves as a successful coach. So look at what when you when you have the money like imagine that you had the money, what would be different and why are you so attached to having it Why is that so important that you get it? Like really look within it that right? What is it for you, and why is it so urgent and then you want to start untangling that? untangle untangling department thinks that the money is going to give you those things and realize that no it the only thing that can give you those things is yourself. The way that you think about yourself, your mental habits, your mental patterns, how you talk to yourself, your relationship with yourself. That's what you're really chasing. And that's available to you now and when you can do that work to feel abundant now to feel you know worthy now or successful now, regardless of what your circumstances are, then you'll stop chasing the money and money gets to be a fun thing you get to go after and create.
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Yeah, so good. I love that and I think too, and just to share with you guys a little bit behind the scenes the work I'm doing it's right in alignment with what Jamie said we're, you know, right now when I have while I'm having this little bit of space in my business from trying to find clients is the work that I'm doing is just myself, like doubling down on like, knowing I'm enough right now being so kind to myself, and really just tapping back into that purpose like remembering why I even started in the first place and like knowing that this is not about the money, right? This is about the impact that it's bigger and I think that that's we can get sometimes lost when we're in the momentum of like, having to do the things and like looking for you know, it's like it happens and just pausing and coming back to like hey why am I doing this? And here's another thing that I reckon I realized is that and I'm still figuring it's this is still kind of unsporting or with some spaces that know now that I'm like okay, I'm only doing things right now that I want to do in my business right I'm taking all of the pressure off of any money. So it's like, what are the things that I'm doing? Because I actually just want to do so I'm actually kind of testing myself like, Am I still showing up? For me, even though I'm not, quote unquote, signing clients in this very second. I still want to do these podcast interviews. I still want to do my podcast like I love doing this podcast and I'm still showing up on social media. But to be honest, there's a little bit of like, wait a second, a little bit of like, Am I doing this because because I thought I had to so I'm actually now questioning, like, what feels really, really aligned for me because I'm able to do that and I and I'm seeing that there's some things in my business that I would do, regardless if I'm making them make money for it. And I'm seeing that there's things that are being revealed to me that I'm like, Oh, I'm only doing that because I thought it was gonna make money. And it is so beautiful and freeing and really scary to look at to be honest.
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I have a question for you because I bet I bet your listeners are wondering this and I would love to kind of like, see what's on your mind and how you've allowed yourself to do this because I could see people having the objection like, well, I have to put pressure on myself because I do have to make money otherwise, right? Like I'm gonna lose my apartment or I won't be able to make rent or this or that I'm curious for you. What's allowed you the freedom to take pressure off but also having the trust that you're going to be okay.
40:51
Yeah, that's a beautiful question. So one of and this is actually ultimately like why I want like why I love teaching sales and I love talking about money is because I have a core belief that I can make money no matter what, that I can sell myself no matter what. So even if the money isn't coming from one of my clients, or masterminds or all the products that I've had, I know I can go somewhere else and make money which my fallback is going and helping other coaches during sales, or at the very least if I need to, I can go sell myself to a company and they would hire me, right. So to me, I just always know that no matter what is going on, I know how to make money and I know how to sell myself so that somebody is going to either hire me or I can help somebody. So that really is like one of my core beliefs that I know how to sell myself I know how to sell so I'm never gonna be broke. I'm never gonna go hungry. And I might not be selling my own programs right now. But I can sell for other people and I can get a job no matter what.
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Yeah, and that oh, so good. And I think what's really awesome about that is that that belief is available to everyone. It's that's a belief that you've chosen, chosen. Right? You've chosen to believe that and ultimately did it if you did it. Yeah, yeah. And it probably creates safety. For you and security. And that's something that is available to everyone. And something that if you don't have it, it would be worth practicing. Because if you don't believe that, then it's going to be really hard to feel free from that pressure.
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Yeah, no, thank you for asking that question. Yes. In your business and you're feeling like, the money is not coming. The clients aren't coming in the way I thought and hopefully this podcast is just your permission to stop for a minute and to question things because I believe it's with every ounce of my soul and I'm sure you'll agree that it's when you're in alignment. Shit like people come money comes right? It works like it doesn't act it's not effort to actually create money. There's no effort into creating money. The problem and the resistance comes from you being out of alignment and taking actions from there. So my go to and it's it's funny now looking back I'm like I can't believe it. It see it was stuck for so long. But sometimes we have to stop and just look back and be like, Wait a second. This isn't working, giving ourselves permission to stop, not to try harder. And I think that that's really like the takeaway. I want you guys to think about is you got like it can be easy. And if it's not easy, if it's not happening then something is just off and it's that's your job to like to figure out what's going to work for you and sometimes just stopping and making the smallest little tweak then everything works.
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Yes. And I think also to add to that what I have found is it doesn't always have to be a macro stop, right. I've had those moments where I've taken two months off because I just needed it where I was in a dark place and I just needed to recalibrate but I've also noticed that even like a weekend off, where you literally just shut everything off. Don't think about business, give yourself permission. Even like I think for me, what really helps a lot is also like get away like get out of like my bubble. Get away somewhere else. take on a new perspective so that you can come back and see things. You're feeling like you're in a slump or you're out of alignment. It doesn't have to be always a huge like let's take off this much time but it can be it can be like let's take off an extra hour each day this week. It just is right it can be little too.
44:40
Oh I'm so glad that you said that because it is it's some it's often the little things right? Like, not everyone needs to stop their business or like do drastic like I'm doing on my end because like I said the first the story I told you earlier about how he just decided to take I think it was like three days off. I stopped my launch and I took three days off and that just thing was the thing that then generated $22,000 in one week and I was like what now I didn't do it like attempts to like make money it just like was a byproduct of it. And I will make a caveat that in the past after having that things. I'm like, oh well last time it took a week off. I made all this money so I like tried to do it. Again and it worked the same
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way. I'm sitting here going on vacation and come back and make 25
45:25
Right. So it really is about actual. It's not about what you're doing. It's the energy inside and it's a little bit different every time and I'm seeing this now like the more launches that I've done, the more kinds of Monte things we get in this habit of like doing what worked last time, but it's often meant to be doing something different moving forward. And that's one of the most beautiful lessons that I've learned in my business and that I'm continuing to allow myself is to allow it to look different every single time instead of trying to repeat the same thing thinking that that's a guaranteed formula because it's actually not about the actions. It's about who you're being and the energy behind it that actually
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creates the result and what you most need, right?
46:09
Yes. So good. Okay, any last minute like any last words, you want to leave anything else you want them to know about this topic of chasing purpose? Not money?
46:21
Gosh, yeah, I think to sum it up. I just love the idea of giving yourself if you're in one of those. If you feel like you've been chasing money if you feel like it's been hard if you feel like it's been a struggle by giving yourself permission to get out of the bubble you've been in and get some perspective that can be just super, super helpful. And asking yourself like what do I really need looking within like, what is the lesson here? Because when we have this going on, it can be for expansion, it can be for our growth. So finding out what is the lesson here that I'm supposed to learn. And for you, Lauren, like you said, it's coming back to my purpose and I think that's so beautiful.
47:04
And I think it's coming back to purpose and just like knowing that I'm enough no matter what right like I think that is goes so far, like finding and I just feel like really I want to share this last little thing that I realized where I see for so long my identity was caught up in like by identities being a coach and a successful business owner was so caught up in like, my happiness, that when I allowed myself to strip those titles and be like, Nope, I'm actually not going to even worry about money. How it was like, Oh my gosh, like who am I without it? And that was a scary thing. And so realizing and then that's really the deep work I'm doing is like realizing that I'm enough no matter what. And this feels so much more sustainable. It feels so good because I'm like, Oh, I don't have to do anything to prove myself. And everything from here just gets to be fun.
47:59
Oh my gosh. Good. That's it.
48:02
Okay, so tell everybody how they can find you how they can follow you how they can work with you give them all the details.
48:09
So I'm at I'm on Instagram at Jamie Berman underscore, so come hang out with me there. I love Instagram. So that's where I am most often in terms of social. If you want to check out my work, my website is Jamie berman.com. And I have an amazing one year program for female entrepreneurs who want to transform their relationship with money transform the way that they approach making money. And want to call in more money but without a hustle. And that's called the money manifestation movement so you can join that if you want some support around money.
48:47
Jamie is amazing. I once again this just divine timing that we happen to be by the way, Jamie was inside Lita so you guys know I live in Sayulita, Mexico and I saw Jamie two weeks ago she was here with her husband and some friends so we got to meet in person for an afternoon but it wasn't enough time. So we're like let's do a phone call. And then that phone call turned into like a beautiful conversation. They're like no, we need to do a podcast
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so fine, right? It is
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and I mean, I just feel like it's it's just you are the perfect person to have on to talk with this. This is like your topic, but also just I just love you and I just I'm so glad that we're friends and that we get to share behind the scene so vulnerably with everybody about, like the real work, right? Like what it really takes and it doesn't always look like we think it's gonna look and I just, I'm so happy to have you on here. Thank you so much for coming. Thank
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you for having me. It's such a pleasure and yeah, I just I think this it is so important to share this stuff, share the UPS share the downstair all everything important so things
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go okay everybody if you enjoy this podcast, please share it. Please send me and Jamie messages if you like this you want to hear from you. Any thoughts, any stories you and I love to connect with you guys and I will see you guys next week. Have a good one for now.
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